treisiu asked: It's not a matter of "~totally original~", that wasn't a joke. If you get this message enough that accusations of it being "unoriginal" are your first response, then it means your essay was flawed.. I did read it, it was silly. There is a male term and a female term; The reason for the male term being created later was because most fanfic writers ARE female, and it was the self-inserts it was targeted at first. idc for arguing with a kid tho so nevermind, my bad!
I never said the essay wasn’t flawed- i literally wrote it in an hour, and didn’t expect it to get nearly the amount of notes it got. and i’m a flawed human being who would naturally never be able to write a perfect essay.
but even if it somehow WASN’T flawed, when if got popular there would be a lot of people repeating the same shit over and over again at me about it. I don’t think you’ve been paying attention to reality if you don’t realize perfectly sound logical arguments are going to get similar rebuttals if they deal with a controversial topic
People were writing self-inserts looooong before the internet was created (James Bond, Batman, much shittier characters in dimstore novels). It was when women had the freedom to do it it started being scrutinized, that’s why the term originated as female, that’s why a male term came later, that’s why the male term is rarely, rarely used and no one can agree on it, female characters still get the most shit, and there’s controversy over whether male mary sues can even exist…
that was my essay. you selectively read it. the end.
It’s kind of hilarious how people’s first reaction to getting a less than coddling response to an argument they drop in someone’s inbox is “I’M DEALING WITH A CHILD!!! STORMS OFF AFTER GETTING MY FINAL JABS IN” Yeah because that’s not childish behavior at all. Actually, you are dealing with someone who is tired of people coming into her inbox without checking the faqs or her blog proper to see if their snooty bomb has already been launched at them. Asking me questions like “have you ever read a “mary sue” story?” (when my essay clearly indicated i have, i just wouldn’t use that term) and acting all aggressive isn’t going to win my heart to giving you a “oh but i totes respect your opinion!” response.
Once there was a girl.
It doesn’t really matter what she looked like she was TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH HER BODY AND HAD NOT INTERNALIZED ANY HATE FROM SOCIETY AT ALL and so she sparkled with fabulousness and cherry blossoms followed her wherever she went she was so anime.
She had the power to CONTROL FICTION!!! She used it to tell off characters who acted WRONG
For instance she slapped Batman and told him to stop manpaining and hug his children and HE DID
But she was not content just to use her power that way! She sparkled on in and she took over the comics industry and turned it over to all the promising young writers she knew. Soon it was a thriving four color world of kickass and diverse characters, Batman was in less than twenty titles and no one EVER traced their fighting ladies from porn.
She was satisfied, so she moved on up. Soon she had control over all the world’s fiction and she championed those she found worthy, those who had original ideas and didn’t engage in problematic tropes and gave voice to the marginalized. She didn’t censor anything but she used her power to give the good people the resources and publicity they deserved. See most people would have bad judgement and be corrupted by power but not HER. She was fair and just.
She did her own writing too! She would do posts on the internet.
She even did this post about how she felt the concept of Mary Sues was kinda sexist.
It got 10000 reblogs and-
Wait this is going too far
This is totally unrealistic
That many reblogs? What what is this character where does it say she’s so great she can do that.
Ugh this disgusts me. You know what this girl, this character is? I’m not afraid to say it. I’m NOT.
seriously it’s amazing how many of these responses boil down to “Well, I don’t like Batman”
do you want a medal
he’s still obviously a very popular character, implying a bit of a double standard, my friend.
sleepingseeker asked: Your Mary Sue statement was brilliant and rendered perfectly. I have always had a problem with people hating on OCs within fandoms and while I have read quite a few stinkers in my time, I do see, with complete clarity, that it wasn't the OCs perfection that was to blame but rather the execution of the plotting, setting and story arc in general. Why is that so hard for people to grasp? Instead they blanket hate OCs, esp. if they are female. Nice job on this. I reblogged with a note. xo
Thanks! :) Honestly, I’m not that involved with reading fanfiction and it was more in reaction to seeing the “Mary Sue” label flung at female canon characters who dared to be present, and aspiring young female writers getting constantly warned off writing “Mary Sues” in their original writing, but I felt when you looked at the fanfiction part of the equation, the root of the problem came from there as well.
treisiu asked: Have you never read a story with a Mary Sue character in it before? It's horrifically annoying. And frankly, while I don't care for Batman, even I know there's more to it. We don't even have to use the term Mary Sue; "A shitty character with no flaws" works as well. Take a Mary Sue out on a nice Literacy A-Level and watch as the prof gives out an F for a garbage role. (and the main problem of a Sue; 'Them being made the only character that matters.' Is indisputably bad writing)
Okay, so use the term “a shitty character with no flaws”
that’s the entire point of the essay
the end. Actually read it.
also there are plenty of “literary” characters people accuse of Mary Suedom, provided said characters are female.
also consider the amount of notes on my essay. Now think about how done i must be receiving messages like this that think they are being totally original.
THIS ESSAY. WAS POSTED. A YEAR AGO.
I feel you. But I have to ask? What happened back there with the mary sue thing? I mean I don’t get what was so inflammatory about it.
It wasn’t particularly inflammatory imo (honestly if i’d known it was going to be such a huge thing i’d have written it better and not in a half hour- but i seriously could have never predicted. I was expecting it to get maybe 50 notes, for real)
but when a lot of people reblog-, you get a lot of violently anti-feminist folks who will basically accuse you of being a joke, or brainwashed, or deluded, or a feminazi or compensating for your own bad writing. People really don’t like the idea they might have done something sexist! I guess!(it’s weird because dude, it’s not like i never ever made fun of mary sues in my youth. i remember reading pottersues a lot) I even made it to the special snowflake hall of fame i’m so proud.
also people get super upset about the Batman thing like you don’t even know.
sweet god it’s like the weight of the world is gone from me
never will I have to hear a smug
"i think ur missing the the point gary stus exist"
"i think this person does not understand that batman is deeply flawed"
FUCK U ALL I’M OUT I’M GONE 4EVERRRR!!!
and it’s still going o_o
There’s a ton of responses to wade through but I can’t right now. Goin back to sleep.
I THOUGHT I COULD READ THROUGH ALL THE RESPONSES AND REPLY TO THEM. THAT WAS A THING I WAS ACTUALLY PLANNING TO DO. POOR NAIVE NEV.
you can see my descent into panic
but how am I going to act on my urge to debate everyone who contradicts me with all this there’s too many notes
I think I’ll just c/p the two posts I just made w/ every reblog b/c they sort of cover most of the stuff people are getting on me about.
Tumblr you will have to bear with me for a while this may break me
I STILL THOUGHT I COULD REPLY TO EVERYTHING this was probably like at 1000 notes or less
Okay, I lay down for ten minutes and my brain would not turn off so I’m going to give my final word on this. I did not expect this post to get over 100 notes. If I had, I would have spent more time on it, to really make it painstakingly clear what it was talking about. I definitely wouldn’t have written it in a half hour, late at night, without bothering to edit.
The post has now been divorced from the original context it was in, which was among a series of posts where I was furious to see that female characters are now called Mary Sueson sight- without their names even being known, they just appear in a trailer for a couple minutes- and with growing fury at any female character in fandom being labeled as such. It made me start thinking about the long history of the term.
I’m going to reblog this very quickly twice with the addendum posts I made so they’re in the reblog stream and then, I’m going to ignore all the debate on this post because it isso overwhelmng it’s breaking my brain.
I don’t think anyone even noticed these reblogs
it’s so weird that Winry hate and people hating on Julia Crichton despite the fact she’s been in a movie trailer for only two seconds!!! inspired my Mary Sue post in a roundabout way. and most people reblogging p. don’t know who she is (def most of them don’t know about Julia)